tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post114779802533395895..comments2023-04-18T22:55:27.235-07:00Comments on Inner Circle of SRCM: Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13240653496527659506noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-88104135956018304182008-11-01T10:57:00.000-07:002008-11-01T10:57:00.000-07:00How well I understand the lethal influence of this...How well I understand the lethal influence of this guru and fake on my very intelligent and well educated daughter and her husband. Once she became involved she began pulling away from me and the loving person she was. It breaks my heart that they cannot see how fraudlent it is. I have very little contact and she treats me with disdain because I have stood up for christianity and against her participation in this hoodoo. I no longer believe I have any recourse but to lose my child to a wicked man who has no right to control her or take her mind from her. It is so unfortunate that this group or any cult is allowed to sow their seeds of evil on college campuses or to thrive in my country, the USA. If there is a solution I do not know and I lost a daughter whom I gave birth to and nurtured and loved. It breaks my hurt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-18048042343492956662008-06-02T11:43:00.000-07:002008-06-02T11:43:00.000-07:00Vedic Chant...You say: however, while in meditatio...Vedic Chant...<BR/><BR/>You say: <I><BR/><BR/>however, while in meditation suddenly the whole body started vibrating violently and persisted for 15 second or so (may be I opened my eyes out of fright)... later on I learnt that that is the experience of transmission at grosser levels. this I came to know while studying a book on meditation (extracts of replies of babuji to abyasi's or short speaches etc). Such an experience never occured to me in TM sessions.</I><BR/><BR/>And you call this experience "spiritual"? Is FEAR now a SPIRITUAL experience to you? Is that not the FEAR/TEMPTATION mechanisms used by all "cults"? Is there not an "experience" in Hypnosis also? Or is there not an "experience" in many other collective experiences such as "rock concerts", sport events, etc.? Even Oprah is thought to be "divine" and people are miraculously cured of illness when she enters the room...Does that not speak to emotions, the power of the mind, and other yet "mis-understood" phenomenon(s) such as binaural beats, and the mystical experience, the megalomania and other delusions of grandeur that accompanies the "grand-mal" seizures of epileptics (as St. Paul was thought to suffer from).<BR/><BR/>I have personally experienced that "shaking" and AWE or FEAR at many occasions but never attached it to GOD or the DIVINE!! It is a psychological and a collective or "sociological" event. Join a secular group and test it out honestly. YOU can make it happen by yourself... Shaking for 15 seconds is recorded in many "HOLY" books...Is the ONE EVERYWHERE THEN? the answer is YES! So SRCM is just selling AIR, SUNSHINE, that we all have as we are "HARDWIRED" for that mystical experience and we will find it SOMEWHERE! <BR/><BR/>I amaze at the readiness and willingness to attach any "emotions" such as awe, fear, etc..to the DIVINE rather than to a "sociological" and/or psychological" cause...<BR/><BR/>I dont' think we humans can blame GOD anymore for our "immorality" on the path to the GREAT MORALITY...<BR/><BR/>What is seen at SRCM (California) by those who have their EYES OPEN WIDE is not MORAL, ETHICAL and not even LEGAL, according to the laws of MAN, if we believe the court judgements coming down from the secular courts in India.<BR/><BR/>Please, don't attach to THE ONE, the CREATOR, what is the product and the games of the MATERIALIST Businessmen who are part of the ALL, the CREATED. The "focus" on the heart of the SUFIs as in "TWO ON A HEART", is not any different than the "two on a mind" of hypnosis, or other psycho-therapies, or the games of children that go: "I can make you say YES... or NO"...It will happen, and most will say the word I chose, but it is not the ONE doing it, It is DON...just as in your "collective" experience, it is the STAR that you create (Chari, Babuji), not the ONE, what some call GOD, the MALE...<BR/><BR/>Most of us who have experienced other "mystical" paths, have also experienced Mystical events in other Paths...Either the DIVINE is MULTI, not ONE or it is DIVISIVE as most religions claim their path to be UNIQUE, even to the point of usurping other's Practices, as with SRCM has done with SUFISM since LALAJI, a SUFI MASTER OF THE Naqshbandiyya Order...<BR/><BR/>It would be like the Catholics claiming that PRAYER works and that all prayers are "answered" and that PRAYER was invented by CHRIST...we all know it is not TRUE...And they would not dare...But SRCM dares...and it fools the neophytes, the naive and the gullible, and the "co-dependents" who don't want to take responsibility for their LIVES and FATES...and want to FOLLOW. <BR/><BR/>4d-don....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-30439649789209505942008-05-31T10:02:00.000-07:002008-05-31T10:02:00.000-07:00Hi Vedic Chants,I agree that one must not let the ...Hi Vedic Chants,<BR/><BR/>I agree that one must not let the dirty business of a hierarchy infect ones own growth and progress.<BR/><BR/>With that said however, I have concluded that any system that is fixated on individual achievement of a discrete goal (central region, moksha, liberation, nirvana) misrepresents the spiritual journey as a commodity that is achieved in exchange for something.I've come to believe that these "achievements" are signposts and not relevant at all to the quality of the human being. <BR/><BR/>We are all on a journey that is infinite. It is how we conduct ourselves in that journey that is key. Accepting that we are exactly who we need to be right now is the only achievement worth achieving - and it isn't actually an achievement at all but an ongoing process that one must persist in maintaining.<BR/><BR/>Corrupt hierarchies prevail in every aspect of life. Business, spiritual and religious organizations all have them. I believe this is due to a primitive aspect of human nature that either chooses to enslave others or be enslaved. This human bondage duality is in fact two sides of the same coin. Both the enslaved and the enslaver are entrapped in this duality.<BR/><BR/>The ongoing spiritual journey is about conducting oneself in a manner that rises above this duality. This is not an achievement, but an ongoing effort that must be sustained regardless of the experiential signposts one encounters on the journey.<BR/><BR/>When those who have achieved "higher" spiritual attainments, enslave the "lower" masses, have they really achieved anything at all? Are they not bound by the same duality?<BR/><BR/><BR/>I conclude that one can rise above this duality regardless of one's perceived position in life or spiritual level of achievement.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>MichaelMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13240653496527659506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-47518494959388389312008-05-31T07:14:00.000-07:002008-05-31T07:14:00.000-07:00while i have had oppurtuinity to try TM ( transcen...while i have had oppurtuinity to try TM ( transcendental meditation) briefly, I started SRCM a about 6 months are so. I had no prior knowledge of experience of how a Transmission is felt or how at all it works (i was not explained by precepters nor i read in any book by SRCM), however, while in meditation suddenly the whole body started vibrating violently and persisted for 15 second or so (may be I opened my eyes out of fright)... later on I learnt that that is the experience of transmission at grosser levels. this I came to know while studying a book on meditation (extracts of replies of babuji to abyasi's or short speaches etc). Such an experience never occured to me in TM sessions. <BR/>Coming to previos blogs on Inner circles, it is in my 28 long years of working in various organisation,<BR/>any organisation -corporate / religious or spiritual has the inner circles. I recently joined a company about 9months back,a small setup of 15+ people. Here too I see a lot of power struggle/ inside circles who want to be close to MD and want to stoop to any level to get favours etc. then what about SRCM. My long career experience and seeing bitter days in life has tought me that, while all these do hurt when one is part of such an organisation/ system one should not get swayed away from the goal one want to pusue. Be it the path of self realisation if that is what one is seeking. so, better let others mind their dirty business while one can silently attain nirvana... or moksha... or the eternel bliss by being non attached with such events as long it does not directly affect his sadhana, life or survival.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-30648786194485148252008-04-14T12:47:00.000-07:002008-04-14T12:47:00.000-07:00Hey Sanjay...From SRCM PR:The Cleveland seminar w...Hey Sanjay...<BR/><BR/>From SRCM PR:<BR/><BR/>The Cleveland seminar who's motto was: "Here and Now or Never…" turns into "never, ever" since Chari has cancelled his visit for health reasons.<BR/><I><BR/>It is his son, P.R. Krishna who will come! He will be in North America April 26th to May 1st. He will also visit the centers in Dallas and Austin, Texas, Atlanta (Georgia), Dayton (Ohio), Chicago (Illinois), Detroit (Michigan) et Toronto (Canada).</I><BR/><BR/>Now that you have "conquered" GOD (the MALE), maybe you can help Krishna (Chari's son) buy another "piece of REAL ESTATE" as another "RETREAT" (wink-wink) for the rich so they can recoup their money-making pseudo-spirituality for the next "CONQUEST" of ??? THE whole WORLD or the UNIVERSE? Sound MEGALOMANIACAL? MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE!! YOU should go right to HOLLYWOOD with that FANTASY!<BR/><BR/>The last SRCM (California) retreat in the US, the <B>SPURS Ranch</B> near AUSTIN, Texas, is an indication of the philosophy of the SRCM (California).<BR/><BR/>SPURS are an instrument of PAIN used on our brothers and sisters and our friends, the animals by other "pseudo-religious" so as to conquer them or to BREAK THEM or just for sensual PLEASURE (entertainment)... <BR/><BR/>SRCM (California) is EXPOSING its own moral corruption by its own WORDS and its own DEEDS...<BR/><BR/>How about a SRCM (California) "SPIRITUAL" retreat called the "GUN" or the "BOMB" or other military instruments of PAIN or "CONQUEST" as a place for the "wealthy" from your nationalist business elite, to rest from their journey of "making money" and gathering "REAL ESTATE"...and to travel "free of charge" around the world, invading and conquering other MATERIAL MARKETS...<BR/><BR/>Does SRCM not teach that SPIRIT is not MATTER? <BR/><BR/>Who is PR KRISHNA?? According to a young woman from SRCM in India, her e is what she has to say...<BR/><BR/>Who is PR Krisha? You will no doubt get a lesson in "SIMPLICITY" from PR Krishna (Chari's son)!! <BR/><BR/>Be a witness for the VICTIM...<BR/>Is Namrata still LIVING, Married and still in SRCM? Do you pay for Krishna's travels? Does he need the charitable "ASSISTANCE"? <BR/><BR/>This appeared on a blog by Namrata, a new abhyasi and was soon removed. You can see why! The blog was called: "A Search For The Truth".<BR/><BR/># posted by namrata @ 11:58 PM 0 comments<BR/>Sunday, April 16, 2006<BR/><BR/>Warm house of Poor<BR/><BR/>Today was Krishna Bhaiya's house warming. He built a new house in Bangalore, Sarjapur Rd. Its a huge house. Master conducted satsang. Yesterday I expected that Krishna will give an open invitation to Blore abyases for Satsang but, there was no announcement regarding the same after morning satsang. I felt a bit upset as I have seen that middle class ppl are now a days giving open invitation to all abhyases for marriage reception. Why not Krishna?? He is big guy? After all ppl cannot be so disturbing. I am sure everyone understands that they should not disturb master.<BR/><BR/>He must be having his reason? But today morning we came to know that its an open invitation to all blore abhyases to attaend the satsang. I was GLAD.<BR/>Some abhyases were telling that master went all the way to Nasik for house warming of a rich abhyasi who built a palace like house.<BR/><BR/>I dont have any issues with master going and inaugrating big houses. Those ppl must be close to him or he may be bound to oblige. Somewhere i feel there is a contradiction in what Sahaj marg is teaching and following. Master tells make a simple house & one house is enough. Then why abhyases are making 3 0r 4 houses?<BR/><BR/>I dont have credibility to tell master not to go for house warming of riches. But, I havnt seen or heard that he has gone to the house warming of poor too.<BR/>I feel there is a gap widening between poor & rich in abhyases. Many abhyases feel tat master gives attaention to only those who are rich. Physical nearness is only for rich...poor has to just stand in queue waiting forever.<BR/><BR/>love<BR/>namrata<BR/><BR/># posted by namrata @ 11:24 PM 1 comments<BR/>Sunday, April 09, 2006<BR/><BR/>This was the last post on this blog...<BR/><BR/># posted by namrata @ 2:14 AM 0 comments<BR/>Tuesday, April 18, 2006<BR/><BR/>Answer to :Warm house of poor<BR/><BR/>Hi,<BR/><BR/>In my last post i was upset as why sahaj marg phylosophy is not followed by master's own son. Well i got the answer, we should see only our master as example not even his son. Well his son may have built many houses but not master. So we should not get upset by somebody doing something which does not match the phylosophy of sahaj marg. Master is working every moment for upliftment of humanity. He has no other aim.<BR/>I just need to help him in this. This should be my role. Thas all, period!!!<BR/><BR/># posted by namrata @ 11:58 PM 0 comments<BR/>Sunday, April 16, 2006<BR/><BR/><BR/>4d-donAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-25264931499802084452008-04-14T11:40:00.000-07:002008-04-14T11:40:00.000-07:00Hi Michael and Sanjay...Great Reply Michael... You...Hi Michael and Sanjay...<BR/><BR/>Great Reply Michael... You are indeed not "LOST" ("loosed") and a WISE man... not a God, or a proxy for the ONE, or as some claim to be, the only "PATH TO the ONE"...ALL PATHS LEAD TO "ONE"...<BR/><BR/>We are all "hard-wired" for the "mystical experience" (what some call the GOD experience). We all, even as children seek out the MAGIC in life that will explain our life, "FORGIVE" our failings, and give us a place to "CONTINUE" living after the demise (transformation or death) through time of the carbon-based form we occupy in this world of n...dimensions.<BR/><BR/>Those who "Loose" themselves want the answer to come from the OUTSIDE of themselves rather than from the INSIDE...The message LOVE of Jesus, the Christ is much superior to the divisive and "conquest", teachings of Sahaj Marg, specially the Sahaj Marg of Chari, the Brahman businessman, who acts at dividing even the society that he claims makes him a MASTER... by the way, he says that he is a Master of HUMANITY, not of SPIRITUALITY, in other words, he can manipulate people through acaquiring "MATERIAL"..."Build a temple and they will come" <BR/><BR/>Where does the money come from?...it will be paid by the "sheep"...down the line, but will not assure a PATH TO THE "DIVINE EXPERIENCE" any more than the other RELIGIONS that he brands as "CORRUPT"...<BR/><BR/>The MAGIC in lIFE is everywhere...ONE just has to open the eyes, and the BRAIN and not think that there is more MAGIC in INDIA, ROME, JERUSALEM, MECCA, etc... The WORLD is MAGICAL where we Live...<BR/><BR/>I wish you a blessed sojourn on the JOURNEY (not the goal, conquest, war on, or DOMINATION, etc...) of LIFE...<BR/><BR/>Religions have a GOAL...GROWTH (evangelism)of the WORD that would cover the whole PLANET, like a cancer which is simply "GROWTH out of control"...<BR/><BR/>In SPIRITUALITY, the JOURNEY is the THING... BE here NOW...<BR/><BR/>PS...Sanjay (sockpupppet of "X") is one of the "cabal" who is trying to eliminate the WIKI article on SRCM and SM...Why? To hide their DEEDS and WORDS? I guess that makes him a CONQUEROR, or a CONQUISTADOR, or the Users of MILITARY vernacular on the path to pseudo-SPIRITUALITY...<BR/><BR/>At some point, even children grow up and see the REAL MAGIC in LIFE where they LIVE...and it is not the TRANSMISSION of Sahaj Marg that just transmits the "falsehhoods" of an elite to the CLONES and the "foot-soldiers" who are in the "conquest" of the divisiveness of MATTER and the MATERIAL...<BR/><BR/>BY THEIR FRUITS YE WILL KNOW THEM!<BR/>That is from the BIBLE of LOVE of JESUS, <BR/><BR/>Sanjay...LEARN and stop PREACHING.<BR/><BR/>4d-don...4d-donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05267465665772425739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-56731845245627903052008-04-10T14:12:00.000-07:002008-04-10T14:12:00.000-07:00Sanjay,Thanks so much for following your compulsio...Sanjay,<BR/><BR/>Thanks so much for following your compulsions and commenting here. I'm certain that your insightful advice will assist others in their respective conquests for God for generations to come. <BR/><BR/>You are absolutely correct! I have not succeeded in loosing myself in the process. I must agree that I have likely not achieved anything and I indeed may be destined to achieve "nothing". Is that bad? <BR/><BR/>What I have lost is the ability to conceive of God as a conquest. God simply IS. To that end I AM, You ARE, we all ARE. This is all that I can attest to as TRUTH. So you are correct that I have not succeeded in loosing myself in the process of achieving GOD.<BR/><BR/>I did find Jesus, however. He was hiding behind my couch the entire time!<BR/><BR/>Thanks again for the thought provoking comments. They were very helpful for me to better understand my spiritual predicament.<BR/><BR/><BR/>MichaelMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13240653496527659506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-668105016202296732008-04-09T22:55:00.000-07:002008-04-09T22:55:00.000-07:00Michael Firstly I do not intend to oppose you nor ...Michael <BR/>Firstly I do not intend to oppose you nor reply to you however unfortunately my level of evolution forces me too. <BR/>I am a new born abhyasi of sahaj marg compared to ur experience here. I am greatfully thankful to your/similar blogs which have brought light to my doubts due to lack of experience. Leaves me with How an idiot like me understands certain things which are so evident that experienced/fortunate/intellectual/intelligent<BR/>great men like you have not. The answer was simple with almost not much serious thought, Michael in serious conquest of God has been unable to loose Michael in him despite all help he could find so there he went looking for Michael's God or God Michael can find without having to forget Michael's ability to loose Michael in the process. you are right in that God is not limited to any source or mentor or guru or whatever it is, however I believe it is limited to Michael's limitations of its expectations and means.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-83449175312579418122008-03-22T08:35:00.000-07:002008-03-22T08:35:00.000-07:00To all...1. I don't belong to any religion, or to ...To all...<BR/><BR/>1. I don't belong to any religion, or to the cult of person anymore. I communicate directly with the ONE.<BR/><BR/>2. I have the right to comment on any scam, be it religious or secular, and I will exert that right any time I feel that there is "ABUSE" of power. In the case of RELIGIONS, the abuse is mostly "MIS-representation" and "false claims". Sahaj Marg nor any other cult does not lead to the ONE. We are already inside the ONE and IT is INSIDE ALL, including HOMO SAPIENS. If there is a ONE, IT IS ALL...Some just don't realize it and some just sell IT...<BR/><BR/>In the WEST, we fought those battles with religion in the 1400's as we came out of the "dark ages" and into the "RENAISSANCE" or the Age of REASON... WE now have to help the EASTERN RELIGIONS REFORM and seperate from the theocratic tendencies of their feudal religions. The state and religions must be seperate. The problems we will face soon are GLOBAL, and we will need to "COME TOGETHER" and be ONE! Religions DIVIDE and Sahaj Marg has shown that it is just another RELIGION, and a cult of a PERSON..<BR/><BR/>Don...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-75236654253521045642008-03-20T07:35:00.000-07:002008-03-20T07:35:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13240653496527659506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-45480951434389005662008-03-20T07:16:00.000-07:002008-03-20T07:16:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07433093237554954807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-16434038317849195082008-03-05T10:24:00.000-08:002008-03-05T10:24:00.000-08:001)Feeding poor seems to be the most illustrated th...1)Feeding poor seems to be the most illustrated thing in here.So it means tht only rich can do tht?And there is no way a poor man can help other?<BR/><BR/>2)Chari has never said that he's god.<BR/><BR/>3)Inner circle of power:Could be true.Hvnt seen him yet.<BR/><BR/>4)None of you are tied to this right?Leave when you want to.<BR/>RegardsNOBLE PAULhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04475700122720324916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-10210539991075408942008-01-06T09:59:00.000-08:002008-01-06T09:59:00.000-08:00"What's going on in Chari's mind...What must be Ch..."What's going on in Chari's mind...What must be Chari thinking of himself..." This is what he must be thinking...<BR/>I am a very clever man...Hats off to me...I am over 80 years old now, I have enjoyed my life, enjoyed women, enjoyed money, enslaved people, could do whatever I could, could brainwash people, like a snake charmer...people could sway to my tunes...could use the mantra of spirituality to enslave people...could forge documents to become the Head of SM...could control everything politically, judicially...I have lived like a King all my life...smoked dunhill brand of cigarettes...played with anyone I could...traveled around the whole world...collected tons of donations from these abhyasis...I<BR/>have not studied any Theology or Philosophy...brainwashed these abhyasis that sahaj marg does not rest on any Philosophy...brainwashed people to stop questioning, eliminated the importance of philosphical thinking...<BR/>brainwashed abhyasis and I am going to leave my spiritual legacy...These abhyasis are real fools like the goats or sheep...which follow as and when directed by their Master...The Master can use them<BR/>for milk, kill them for meat, cut their wool for making sweaters...The Master can use them as and when he wants for his own needs...<BR/><BR/>One day the Master or the owner thought "I have become old, I have tethered these goats, used these goats for milk, meat, and skin...I want to free the goats, leave the goats in the forests and let these animals lead a natural life in the forests..."<BR/><BR/>Until now Chari has been milking his abhyasis, draining them of their money, brainwashing them through transmission...etc etc etc<BR/><BR/>Moral: A true Master or Guru is someone who frees you from himself... <BR/><BR/>So Chari at least before dying free his abhyasis from him and let them lead a natural life...and end his expanding pseudo spiritual...narcissist empire...tell his followers to do justice to themselves and their families...<BR/>-RaviAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-27973353380224507192008-01-05T07:31:00.000-08:002008-01-05T07:31:00.000-08:00Somebody aptly said "Americans are known for Innov...Somebody aptly said "Americans are known for Innovation...Germans are known for precision...and Indians are known for _____? spiritual business...Chari is one fine example of an Indian spiritual businessman...Questions for the Abhyasis to ask <BR/>1. What is happenning to all the tons of money Chari is collecting, Is there any authority to audit and control the flow of money which is coming as donations from these brainwashed abhyasis...<BR/>2. Of all the spiritual organizations in the world, why Sahaj Marg has been listed as a cult...Why not other organizations like Ramkrishna mission...<BR/>3. Why Chari decides who should marry who...when to divorce...<BR/>4. Why Chari has so many court cases pending...If he is really a good spiritual person, then why so many court cases are against him...why not against other spiritual men...<BR/>You own your life and you should decide who to marry, not someone like Chari who is just an ordinary human being like any one of us...<BR/>No other person or group of persons owns your life...<BR/>To lose your life is to lose your future...<BR/>To lose your liberty is to lose your present...<BR/>To take life is murder...<BR/>To take liberty is slavery...<BR/>To take money is theft...<BR/>You have the right to protect your life, liberty, and your money that you earn from narcissists like Chari...Chari is just an ordinary human being and he has no right or claim that is higher than those of any other human being...<BR/>Chari spends all the money for his birthdays...Is this the trait of a so called spiritual person who claims to be God...<BR/>Chari has no right to steal, enslave, and to murder...<BR/>You cannot give these rights to someone like Chari which you do not have yourself...<BR/>You own your life and you are responsible for your life...<BR/>You do not rent your life from others like Chari who demand your obedience...<BR/>You are not a slave to someone like Chari who demands you to sacrifice...<BR/>You choose your own goals based on your own values...Not the goals set by Chari...who claims to be God...<BR/>Virtue can exist only when there is free choice...<BR/>It requires courage and intelligence to think, to talk, and to act...<BR/>To think, talk, and act implies questioning and that is what is absent in the abhyasis...In fact they argue meaninglessly with anyone who questions about Sahaj Marg...<BR/>In fact when someone proclaims he is spiritual, there is something unspiritual about him...<BR/>The farmer is a very spiritual man than anyone of us...He has many qualities that we don't possess...<BR/>Evil does not arise only from evil people, but also from good people who tolerate evil people like Chari...Good people have empowered evil people like Chari...who is a pseudo spiritualist...narcissist...and one who is interested in expanding his empire...<BR/>So friends of sahaj marg, please think, ask these questions yourself, try to see the difference between appearance and reality...Go online and see for yourself the cases in Supreme court on Chari...<BR/>-RaviAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-32131191482680076022007-08-30T11:19:00.000-07:002007-08-30T11:19:00.000-07:00Hi Fence-sitter...Thanks for your candor...I agree...Hi Fence-sitter...<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your candor...<BR/><BR/>I agree with you that Pyramidal structures can give "energy" to the users. Is that energy "Divine"? is the question that should be asked.<BR/><BR/>I have belonged to many Pyramidal structures (religion (Catholic) military, business, and other service and charitable organizations) and we all can admit that the energy of the group arranged in a Triangle or Pyramid creates a focus of energy at the points and is "POWERFUL". Military leaders have used the Triangle from time immemorial but we don't, or should not, think that they were all "divine" or "divinely Inspired". Power or energy does not make a thing DIVINE by itself although a thing has to have "energy" (or matter as in E=MC2), to be DIVINE (we think...we don't know...lol).<BR/><BR/>The state of BEING (outside of TIME) which is Spirituality does not necessarily impart a feeling of POWER to others around us, but is the "ENERGY" that I like. Sahaj Marg has become just like a "Pyramidal Business" or a "RELIGION". Religions are organized "spirituality". They serve the MASSES but do not necessarily make the Masses more DIVINE, HOLY, or SAINTLY. <BR/>Look at the crimes committed in the name of RELIGION by those who pray many times daily and receive "ENERGY" or POWER in these prayers.<BR/><BR/>"Divine" is what we want and like the other beautiful words we invent, the "manipulators" use them also. And the Masses want to believe that it is DIVINE. Other words that are misunderstood and "manipulated" are: PEACE, Sustainable Development, ONE, DIVINE, POWER, ENERGY, etc...<BR/>In the peace movement, we used to say: To fight for peace is like fornicating for virginity. To call material power "divine" is TRUE...But HITLER had MATERIAL POWER and was also DIVINE but not one to emulate if we want a PEACEFUL and SPIRITUAL world. Relgions all claim that the World will be ONE when all the people are in my CULT. <BR/><BR/>So Good luck in your search for the Divine. The Mirror is a good place to start and then the ONES around us. If we look into the eyes of a baby or a friend or a pet, or touch a tree, the soil, we see the Divine just as much as in the eyes of a BUSINESSMAN who spent his life making money and accumulating "MATERIAL" possession and builing Pyramidal structures that "focus" the energy of the GROUP, the MASSES.<BR/><BR/>May you be Blessed by ONE and ALL..<BR/><BR/>DonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-7046711579284556042007-07-28T07:18:00.000-07:002007-07-28T07:18:00.000-07:00I was/am part of after 10 years...although I must ...I was/am part of after 10 years...although I must confess that I never left the religious practices that I had been doing since childhood, and never totally believed in SMarg( I am a hindu- born and brought up in India)No one in my family showed any interest.<BR/>The reason I did not leave but was sitting on the fence was the feeling system had some value..I am not able to say that Chari has no spiritual power...at least on one occasion I have experienced incredibly strong vibrations...however I always felt sick in the stomach when I found abhyasis deifying chari foolishly (things like by the grace of the master the bus was on time...slipped in the bath tub but did not get hurt etc...).<BR/><BR/>Also one senior functionary made out a strong case for increasing the membership of the mission- even so far as saying that one is not a good abhyasi if you don't bring new recruits.(Not ones spiritual inclination, but the contribution you have made in increasing the numbers is the yardstick!)<BR/><BR/>In terms of reading I never read anything other than the original babuji's books- any looked to Vivekananda for guidance..even visited the Ramakrishna Mission a few times.<BR/> I never did volunteer work and only contributed nominal amounts to cover the cost of food I was consuming etc). But now I am convinced that even if I decide to stick on, I will always see SRCM as an organisation that has to serve my spiritual interests, and the master as someone to serve spiritual seekers in all humility.<BR/><BR/>In short, I was always on the periphery, and I am happy to be so(unless I decide to leave altogether)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Fence-SitterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-85410337761980807462007-05-08T12:19:00.000-07:002007-05-08T12:19:00.000-07:00Hi anonymous...Why change to clarity when confusio...Hi anonymous...<BR/><BR/>Why change to clarity when confusion works so well to "enslave" and trap the naive, the gullible, "un-thinking" and "illogical"?<BR/><BR/>Religions have done this: assign contradictory attributes and qualities to the ONE, what some call God, as a MALE. Women who are traditionally the "receptor" or the "nester" in our species believe and live more "intuitively" than the male of the species who has had to develop logic for hunting and defense. It could be hormonal, with testosterone as the Logical and estrogen as the "intuitive" in a complementary relationship for a strong family or mating UNIT.<BR/><BR/>Relgion plays on the inability of children to distinguish between myth and reality also until the age of reason, usually tied to puberty and "hormones". <BR/><BR/>They are targeting women of menopausal age and children. The plan with religion is to attract the old women who will want to bring the kids and "teach" and the "logical" boys will be ensnared by their lust or desire for the "girls"<BR/><BR/>If women did not support religions, they would wither and die.<BR/><BR/>It's the typical case of old men, wanting in their old age to be cared for by adoring women and surrounded by children to "hear his tales" and his "words of wisdom"<BR/><BR/>It's the attempt to go down in history...<BR/><BR/>Who cares if it keep the girls as "chattel" or as "serfs" in the case of Sahaj Marg...<BR/><BR/>We need a "bill of responsibilities" as is proposed by the Citizens Assemblies in Europe that would define these acts of "intellectual terrorism" using fear of "damnation" or Hell, or "God help you if you leave Sahaj Marg" that Chari uses, to keep the "un-thinking" and the "gullible" and naive, serving an autocrat, even if he is benevolent.<BR/><BR/>Don...4d-donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05267465665772425739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-90222109825203866312007-05-07T17:51:00.000-07:002007-05-07T17:51:00.000-07:00Use of the term "Master" is very confusing in Saha...Use of the term "Master" is very confusing in Sahaj Marg. When you ask a preceptor, who is Master, the answer you get different answers at different times. Why not have two terms to identify the representative and the real Master i.e. God himself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-8033203568899094722007-03-23T16:02:00.000-07:002007-03-23T16:02:00.000-07:00Hi Rohit and all...Yes I have felt good meditating...Hi Rohit and all...<BR/><BR/>Yes I have felt good meditating and was even able to discern the quality of transmission from one preceptor to another, leading me to surmise that the "transmission" had some aspects or "impurities" from the (vessel) preceptor and the transmission was not "totally" from the divine.<BR/><BR/>It was not at that time, my intention to become more of (what I call looping back into materialism) what my preceptors were and when I met Chari, I saw (felt) where that "materialism" was coming from. I never returned to SRCM but I still meditate.<BR/><BR/>My "feelings" now are as "good" as with "prayer and meditation" in the Catholic Churches, and/ or in nature. The only difference is that it is now without "proxy" or "go-between" and I am communing directly with the ONE when I wish that and with the "Natural" aspects of the ONE at other times... So I expand from ONE (THEISM) to ALL (Pantheism) without guilt before ONE and ALL. But I never feel the "impurities" of the "MIND" and so I surmise that, for me, it is a better form of Raja Yoga (yoga of the mind) than with the "stripped down" raja yoga of the SRCM transmission with a preceptor or a Master...<BR/><BR/>Mind you, I did not feel that "materialism" and "ego" with Babuji (or Don S, my main preceptor) and his "style" allowed free thinking and so attracted thinkers and philosophers and true "rational" and serious "searcher". That does not mean that the transmission in Babuji's days was more "from God" or from a "more elevated" plane but I never felt that "materialism" of numbers...maybe I even felt special as increasing numbers and proselytizing was not encourage and the predominant feeling was one of having been "chosen". I had occasional experiences of "transcending"... that I also sometimes get from "direct contact" with what I call the ONE or UNITY! But my ONE is not the static "ULTIMATE" as there is not such ANIMAL, THING or SPIRIT..."IT" (ONE) IS IN MOTION AND DYNAMIC and never ENDS so is ETERNAL (SPACE) and the ways to describe IT are "INFINITE" (TIME). <BR/><BR/>How do I know? ONE TOLD ME SO!! lol <BR/><BR/>Levity...<BR/>(Can I assert firmly and fundamentally, (and without moving (budging)), that ALL is in motion and what is not in MOTION is not true and does not exist!! Even the ONE (What some call God)...<BR/>...IS that an "INVERTENDO"??...or an oxymoron? lol <BR/><BR/>Now, back to the "dialogue" issue... exept for you and a few like you, I feel from the SRCM abhyasis and preceptors their arrogance like a "torrent" of uncontrolled emotions even from those who have "recently" resigned from the Mission and are "on our side", so have been more exposed to the "Chari" influence...<BR/><BR/>And from others (that I see) I feel a "self centered-ness" almost to a lack of "morality", or Machievellianism (the end justifies the means) in daily affairs. They seem to feel that they are "invincible" and so become arrogant dismissive and "un-caring", even flaunting their "not caring" about the feelings of the person they are "conversing" with, as if they (we) were "unclean"... that would indicate to me a "fundamentalism" that was not "intended" in the "raja yoga? of Sahaj Marg (I mean that loosely) but that I see in most "fundamentalist" movement be it "Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Vaishnava, or SRCM, etc... <BR/><BR/>Beside the meditation, (medication...lol) there are some parts of Chari's theological and philosophical statements that reflect a "mis-understanding" or an "un-evolved" philosophy (that he calls "no philosophy") from the point of view of some spiritual paths such as raja yoga but his theology and philosophy seems to match the more fundamental Vaishnava tradition which he studied for 7 years before going to Sahaj Marg and almost immediately (with his father who claimed to be a Master after a few weeks with SRCM) becoming an "influence" on Babuji and his MISSION, SRCM...<BR/><BR/>From the SMRTI site: <BR/><I><BR/>He took up a detailed study of this book (Bhagavad Gita) as well as other religious and spiritual texts. At the age of 30, he began Vaishnava traditional instruction in the Hindu religion. Seven years later, in 1964, he met his Master (Babuji) and started the practice of Sahaj Marg meditation.<BR/><BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Nice chatting with you... Remain true to your "spirit" and your path...You have more going for you than most that I have met in these last 31/2 years of "chat-line-ing" and "blogging" and "exchanging" barbs and arrows with the so-called "spiritual" meditators....<BR/><BR/>May you be blessed (as if you're not)...lol <BR/><BR/>"forgive me"...May you realize with gratitude,... your blessing.... <BR/><BR/>A Acadian "inversion" or "backing talkwards" or an SRCM "invertendo"??<BR/><BR/>;-))<BR/><BR/>4d-don4d-donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05267465665772425739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-27508591751049054562007-03-23T14:26:00.000-07:002007-03-23T14:26:00.000-07:00Rohit,Your comments about my view's being extremis...Rohit,<BR/><BR/>Your comments about my view's being extremist are correct, this what is called as ignorance, and avoiding the facts, if you read your previous post you will notice that you mentioned about SV saying all roads lead to thee, also you have mentioned the shlok from Gita which states that any person may choose any path as all path's ultimately reach me, using these statements you justified the existence of SRCM in public domain, ignoring the hard facts that faith cannot be blind, as you tried to mention that it is about practical spirituality, which unfortunately we have not been able to find that practicality, what we have observed is statements from the divine master stating that one must have faith, and practice should be tried for at least 3 months etc etc before any question can be asked... does this sound like practical spirituality ? well for me it is simply avoiding the answer to practical question, you cannot dismiss the fact's on the ground that it is extremist or otherwise, remember, there are people who still believe that Islam is moderate, without even noticing the consequence of such stand, so many people killed, so many women’s raped in name of faith, this is what all cults try and bring up.<BR/><BR/>I would also like to demonstrate to you few aspects of what you call as practical spirituality.<BR/><BR/>1. Messages are coming from dead people. (Kindly explain how practical this concept is)<BR/><BR/>2. Those messages are sold @ USD250/- (spirituality?)<BR/><BR/>3. Birthday Party of Chari, huge amount of money spent, and people are encouraged to donate. (Practical spirituality?)<BR/><BR/>4. Inserting fear into mind of foolish people, by saying that earth will be demolished in the year 2012.<BR/><BR/>5. Marrying people inside the community, thereby killing all scope of freedom.<BR/><BR/>6. Absolute mental slavery, no freedom of thought Emblem etc are trademark hence they must not be used for blogs orkut etc to open groups communities (Practical ? spiritual ?)<BR/><BR/>7. Falsely using name of Raja Yoga (spiritual ?)<BR/><BR/>8. Asking people to creating balance between family life and mission work.<BR/><BR/>this list is endless, all actions which are performed in SRCM are bogus and has no touch of spirituality or practicality for that matter.<BR/><BR/>You have also mentioned about meditation, cleaning and prayer. <BR/><BR/>what is called as meditation in SRCM.. think about the light coming from master's heart to your heart via preceptor's heart... whereas mediation as understood is the state of thoughtlessness... hence concept of meditation is an absolute contradiction from its essence. cleaning is what is called as running away from all your social and domestic responsibilities, you forgot to mentions the concept of erasing Samskara, take an example if you kill some-1 think that it is master who has actually executed that act, then according to SRCM’s practical spirituality it is master who is going to be hanged and not you.<BR/><BR/>Prayer is that I am week I am week I am slave I am slave, only master (Chari) is perfect.<BR/><BR/>Hence if you see with open eyes and open mind and open heart you will find that there is neither practicality in this group nor there are any traces of spirituality, in any case you have the freedom to continue ignoring facts and always trying to search what is good in this group, if there is any good it must be obvious, since we are trying to look for it, this itself implies that there is no good. Hence be practical and be spiritual, stay away from all the cults of this world, become one with what is called as God, who that already there in form of your wife, children and parents. You don't need a manipulator to worship, or do you ?Shashwathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00964293138258874968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-24415837607675455602007-03-23T11:16:00.000-07:002007-03-23T11:16:00.000-07:00Rohit,To your last point... This is exactly our go...Rohit,<BR/><BR/>To your last point... This is exactly our goal as dissidents of SRCM. Sharing ideas and finding common ground without judgement of each other as human beings, is liberating and spiritually fulfilling. The SRCM hierarcy is so intollerant of dissenting thought, that we, as a disenting group are judged as being "unworthy" of having a valid opinion. I contend that SRCM would benefit greatly if they actually bother to listen to the ideas of their dissenters, rather than writing them off as " being at various levels of our own development". They have gone far down the path of faith based religion, establishing a hierarchy, and insisting on faith in something other than one's own personal experience. This is ok, if they admit that they have digressed into the realm of faith based religion, but they continue to inisist that they have not. In fact some members have accused me in various blog comments of having fallen into the Jail of Christian religion! Such a display of arrogance! Its one thing to scruitinize another's actions, but to judge their closeness to God is a tragedy as is is not our place to judge. No human, Master or otherwise is in a position to judge another human.<BR/><BR/>SRCM is lucky to have you. I pray that the hierarchy some day realizes what they have. I'm happy to see that you are not afraid to comment here and welcome your continued involvement and hope that you and the rest of us continue to benefit from it.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>MichaelMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13240653496527659506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-63636839881139474862007-03-23T03:45:00.000-07:002007-03-23T03:45:00.000-07:00Hi Brothers,Yes Michael, I understand that there a...Hi Brothers,<BR/><BR/>Yes Michael, I understand that there are some who lust for power, pride, name, fame etc.. however, what I am concerned about is that there is quite a negative view point of looking at things in a lot of the comments posted here.<BR/><BR/>Your views on Compassion, Love and Mercy are really nice. I have gone through some of the text. Verily that should come first before the personal quest, whenever/wherever the situation demands. <BR/><BR/>Like for example if somebody is in danger while walking on the road, unaware of a fast approaching vehicle then it is our duty to help that guy/gal by pulling him/her out. This may involve a risk of putting ourselves in danger however, that does not surface in the mind of the compassionate. It is a day to day dealing and certainly SRCM does not put breaks in participating, God forbid, if they occur. Things continue to grow and happen naturally while practising spirituality too. Of course, one's right thinking and right amount of efforts too matter a lot.<BR/><BR/>About 'Truth Eternal', I have not read it until now. Surely, since you brought out some interesting points I will go through it. Thanks for this suggestion. You are still a good Ex-Preceptor ;)<BR/><BR/>Well Michael do you continue to meditate or have left it altogether? I hope you are doing it. From your writings I can make out that you really have a profound knowledge on spiritual matters and that your language is gentlemanly and exhorting. Thoughts put in form of words are precise and to the point. Good Signs of a refined personality.<BR/><BR/>Well my brother 4-d don has also brought out some interesting points too. He has a knack of hitting at the right places. His writings have sarcasm, wit and humour involved. Somewhat like Bernard Shaw :) <BR/><BR/>But tell me Don have you not felt good while meditating? I hope you have certain good experiences to share with the readers.<BR/><BR/>My brother Shashwat has some extrimist view points which I never intended to strike upon. My exhortations and suggestions were and are more on the positive sides. <BR/><BR/>Well after meditaion, cleaning and prayer we should be feeling more refined and thus gaining the more human approach we should apply the new found characteristics to our everyday life. Like in office, dealing with our sub-ordinates, colleagues. I certainly have developed more awareness on this front which was lacking earlier. The diary writing too helps a great deal and shows us who we are!<BR/><BR/>So, there is not just blind faith but more of a practical spirituality here. There is more of tracking the development process and moving towards the Goal of going near to the Divine, our Beloved. <BR/><BR/>This shows at the Physical plane (feeling light and relaxed), Mental plane (Thoughts are getting refined, Sobriety is prevalent) and more Subtle planes from where Compassion, Love, Mercy arise. It is for the sake of the Self that all these development take place. And really speaking each day with its tidings-chidings, love and compassion... is opening up a new world altogether. <BR/><BR/>Even now while writing to you all my dear brothers, this activity is really giving me an altogether different sort of experience and of course there is spiritual and moral refinement going on. <BR/><BR/>A new outlook is developing and the ability to tactfully, precisely and simply putting my thoughts across is growing..<BR/><BR/>Thanks for this opportunity!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17282465026327791187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-26940157439409719242007-03-22T10:33:00.000-07:002007-03-22T10:33:00.000-07:00Rohit,I am surprised by the statement you have pub...Rohit,<BR/><BR/>I am surprised by the statement you have published about SV, you also need to understand what is said and not only read it, incase some-1 comes and say's kill all those who do not believe in your faith (as in case of Islam ref: Quran Chapter-4 Al-Nisa Sura 92) so accoeding to SV killing innocent people will lead to God ??? <BR/><BR/>Hence if you are able to think you will understand that those path which cause harm to society and public in genral are taking you backwords where there is only evil, as is the case with SRCM, and by the very fact that we are humans we all must resist evil to the highest possible power that we have.<BR/><BR/>Blind faith produces only zombies like abhysis and sucide bomber's of islam, also pls read (as it is evident that you only read and never try to understand) this statement also made by none other then Swami Vivekananda<BR/><BR/>Complete works Vol-2 page 106 <BR/><BR/>"The idea that you can make others grow and help their growth, that you can direct and guide them, always retaining for yourself the freedom of the teacher, is nonsense, a dangerous lie which has retarded the growth of millions and millions of human beings in this world. Let men have the light of liberty. That is the only condition of growth."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Regards<BR/>ShashwatShashwathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00964293138258874968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-10352546913874324462007-03-21T13:23:00.000-07:002007-03-21T13:23:00.000-07:00Hi Rohit...With your permission, I feel compelled ...Hi Rohit...<BR/><BR/>With your permission, I feel compelled to add something to your message to Michael...<BR/><BR/>You say: <I><BR/><BR/>Finally we have to arrive at that point or stage which we call God, God for name sake, as currently we<BR/>have no other disposition at hand to call HIM otherwise. SRCM is one of the various paths to reach him. </I><BR/><BR/>I have been using the non-gender based, non-emotional, more logical and scientific "THE ONE" or the UNITY rather than the MALE God, a term that is too "broad" and too emotionally and culturally bound.<BR/>That ONE is then called IT...as to describe the nature of the UNITY in gender terms one would have to say SHE/HE/IT...(say it fast and often and you end up with ShEEET or SH.T)<BR/><BR/>The word "Lord" is also too culturally bound as the "LORD" is a lowly member of the aristocracy and in Britain, a member of the HOUSE OF LORDS... That word does not describe the "CREATOR" (or Creative Principle) of ALL (the creation).<BR/><BR/>To establish an arbitrary "goal" or a "search" for a place where the ONE (God) is more as opposed to where one is already is what religions use to keep the masses "supporting" the structure rather than one another. I just heard a "hindu priest?" say exactly the same as you and Michael just said more eloquently: "Service to "others" is the gauge of spirituality, not the meditating attaining of an "imaginary" goal."<BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/><I><BR/>Tell me brother by serving others have you gained something. As a matter of fact I have not. I would<BR/>say, after serving sincerely I have lost so many things. My health, my social gatherings, my intimacy with my friends. However, I am happy, in bliss, nearer to God than I was before. This is enough proof that we are ourselves responsible for what ever is happening.</I><BR/><BR/>I always wondered why in a relgion with a message of LOVE, such as Christianity, one goes with his friends and family and acquaintances and in Sahaj Marg, we go alone to reach the goal...Hence the friends and family and health get lost in "service" to whoM??? If we were serving "THEM" they would still be there.... NO! I recall this quote by Chari to the Preceptors in 2001: <BR/><BR/><I><BR/>"In the Indian scene, the Hindus and Hinduism is corrupt. God is personified as somebody who can be bribed with gifts, with so called prasads - offering temptation of Heaven which fact Babuji emphasized in His teachings, saying that religions depends on two instruments - temptation and fear."<BR/><BR/>"I am afraid that Sahaj Marg is suffering in this way because even when Christian people become abhyasis and preceptors, they somehow, somewhere along the way seem to lose this idea of love, charity, compassion, faith and become preceptors. So what Spirituality offers and can deliver, our priesthood, I would categorize you as, say temporarily as priesthood - they destroy."</I><BR/><BR/>This is the reality according to Chari...And it is a sad "admission' that we all felt and feel in SRCM since Chari...The transmission is "destroying" the love because of the "goal addicted" preceptors....Where is the love and the service if the focus of the "vessel" is on the "goal"? That is self-service and will lead to the same place as it did for other religions and that we now see with SRCMtm: Spiritual Capitalism. That is where favours (in the afterlife) are handed out by the "autocrat" to his "serfs" for services performed for the Mission or the Master in this life, hence replacing the FAMILY and Friends...<BR/><BR/>In Chari's New Year address in 2002<BR/><BR/><I><BR/><BR/>…So, since you asked me to speak, I’m speaking. I hope you are listening carefully, and you will ATTEMPT to follow the practise sincerely, with dedication, with absolute faithfulness to the practice, so that within a few short months, you will be able to feel in yourself that, “Yes, there is something in me which has changed. Yes, I see it myself, therefore I don’t need others to tell me anything about it. I am happy, so I don’t need other people to make me happy. I am content, I don’t need anything else to make me content. Where I sit in peace, thinking of my Master, I have the sole companion in my life whom I need. I don’t need anybody else to give me company. Then you will find happiness in Sahaj Marg , you will find fulfillment in Sahaj Marg . You will be ALONE but NEVER LONELY. YOU WILL HAVE NO RELATIVES, but you will have the one friend without whom we can do nothing and whom we don’t have, though we have many friends! He who has no Master, may have many friends but no real friend. He who has the Master may have only one friend but He is the real friend. And may that true friend be with you, guide you, help you, and take you to Himself. </I><BR/><BR/>Is this not telling...That does not reflect LOVE for the relatives and friends but is "self serving" by the Master, the MISSION, and the METHOD...The family is left out in the cold, a shell that is doomed to fall apart...<BR/><BR/>You mention your "brothers and sisters" but I think you mean the NEW acquantances you met in SRCM and not your true family and friends from your previous statements. <BR/><BR/>By the way, any addiction does the same thing: Alcoholism and Drug addiction will make friends of strangers and make strangers of friends. You can see it for all other addictions also...<BR/><BR/>You mention: "Why should be look to the Power aspect?"...Because, as "directed energy" power came into our lives and "upset" it...We now have to deal with it. On the other hand, the "emanation of energy" without the "directing" it, is what we admire in most saints...Christ, Gandhi, Sister Theresa etc...The do (as in service) and emanate or exhube energy. If Chari would not roam around the world spewing his flawed theology, philosophy (no philosophy), and advice to others, we would leave him alone. Power has to affect as is is energy "directed"...We as the recipient will absorb or repel....First as we are "good people" we assume the best and absorb and then when we are "fooled", we repel...We are in the repelling stage of the POWER that is Chari in the SRCM...I feel like telling to "GO HOME" and BE Spiritual rather than "Nationalistic", building "private" schools with our money while our kids are in "mobiles" PUBLIC SCHOOLS because of lack of Funding. <BR/>Our schools do not have 14 foot ceilings and Marble floors.<BR/><BR/>Just my rant for the day...<BR/><BR/>I wish you all the best and since you seem to be a "sincere" person, I think you understand where we are coming from and if you don't, you will... Unless SRCMtm goes through a 'TRANSFORMATION" and finds LOVE and COMPSASSION....<BR/><BR/>The danger in Sahaj Marg is the "Transmission"...from and by anyone who is motivated by power and a "goal"..<BR/><BR/>LIFE IS A JOURNEY...NOT A GOAL!<BR/><BR/>As in (ice) Hockey...HE shoots...He scores...The crowd goes wild...lol ...Now as a "star", I can become a "preceptor" and transmit to the serfs of Sahaj Marg... ;-))<BR/><BR/>4d-don...4d-Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16598693596938426520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27865974.post-50693165254955762872007-03-20T08:24:00.000-07:002007-03-20T08:24:00.000-07:00Rohit,I'm happy that you have found solace in your...Rohit,<BR/><BR/>I'm happy that you have found solace in your spiritual practice. As for your advice about power, you are preaching to the choir. I suggest you forward your comments to the leadership of SRCM they need to hear this wisdom coming from one such as yourself.<BR/><BR/>As for thinking that Preceptorship is an achievement, please, believe me, it is not. You are likely more knowledgeable and spiritually inclined than many preceptors. This is my primary criticism of all spiritual hierarchys on this earth be it SRCM(tm) or the Catholic Church. The Hierarchy perform particular duties. We respect and honor them for doing so, no doubt, but to believe that those not in the hierarchy are somehow less evolved, or have achieved less, is foolishness. In fact the hierarchy is nothing without the masses that follow them! Incidentally, this is true not only in spirituality but in business as well!<BR/><BR/>If you read my blog in detail, you will see that I have concluded that the real spiritual path is to realize that we are already spiritually evolved at the start, the journey is simply a formality that brings us right back to where we start, a state of Ignorance and Wonder.<BR/><BR/>Please, my dear friend, read and comprehend the book "Truth Eternal". Lalaji explains this in detail in this often ignored book. The journey is not about obtaining something. You are already close to God when you start. The Journey is what we embark on to appreciate who we are and what we are part of - and Yes, as you said so clearly, when all is done, Love is all that is left.<BR/><BR/>My experience in the hierarchy of SRCM pushed me so far away from Love. I saw vindictiveness, selfishness and a lust for spiritual power and control. I left SRCM to get away from this. I respect that fact that you have experience something quite different. I suggest that this has far more to do with YOU than with the SRCM. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Personally, since leaving the SRCM(tm), I have found Jesus' message of love, forgiveness and compassion the most powerful of all messages as it doesn't require years of practice and achievement to do. Anyone can be loving, forgiving and compassionate at any time, at any alleged level of spiritual advancement. Conversely, I contend that many who claim to be spiritually evolved to not practice these things, and I believe this is the real tragedy, as they have missed the point entirely!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your warm wishes and kind words. I wish you all the best.<BR/><BR/><BR/>MichaelMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13240653496527659506noreply@blogger.com